wabba_treads420 said

To me, that hurts Rob's credibility. I mean I'm sure people are starting to notice this censorship going on behind their backs. A potential customer is going to join the forum and think "if he can't be honest to his forum users, why should I spend my hard earned cash on someone I can't trust?"

yep, it's like the perfect opposite to cvt's vision, that we can freely use whatever it's useful from any method/teacher and discard the rest
rob is a person that is really focused on marketing itself, and on the other hand cvt people have the marketing strategy of just teaching good technique, kvta also does the same, and people just comes back and diffuse their teachings without being asked to do it, just because it's good stuff, because it works, and because it can be demonstrated by the teachers (the perfect opposite to lunte)

TommyTheHat said

How about an opinion from someone like me who isn't really into digital or CD learning? Just as someone looking in as a consumer. Sure, I'm not really a consumer of these products but I think that makes me non biased. I have no preferences because I don't really care. But I am somewhat familiar with a few programs only through exposure. I think most programs are trying to corner a market somehow first of all. However some get overly pushy while others get gimmicky. If I had to go by what I see then Lunte would turn me off right from the get go. Fist of all I can't stand cheesy and gimmicky little code names like intrinsic anchoring, overlay distortion, dampen release onsets or whatever. And then there is his weird body contortions. WTF? It's like a parody of a metal god or something. And then he constantly folds his arms in the "bridging" configuration...geez! The whole dramatic mic holding thing. Way too corny and that would cause me to move on before even looking any further. He speaks like he is on stage giving a show or he thinks he's a super hero. . It's more like a Saturday Night Live comedy skit.

Then if you visit the forum he is even worse. I contacted Adolph and told him to delete my account way back (I had stopped posting there already anyway) when Rob posted a song in the "Critique" section and Chris Miyai critiqued his song. Then Rob threw a hissy fit like a 12 year old in a schoolyard. It was embarrassing. He called Chris names, he belittled his singing, he banned him and he carried on like a schoolgirl. That would have cinched my "NOT" wanting to look any further into his programs. I think the whole forum is a big sell for his program. To me, it sounds over the top and complicated with a lot of fancy words. So as someone who would just be looking into programs, I would turn away after researching and seeing all that. And I think I am the perfect example of a customer because that's exactly what I'm NOT! I am just an unbiased product critic.

Great post!

Don't forget about "quack and release onset"

He seemed like he was a really cool down-to -earth guy and great vocal coach until I saw his uncalled for bitter reactions to honest critique on the forum. The Child In Time thread is an absolute disaster in that way. Lots of banning and sneaky post editing.

TommyTheHat said

That might be the one I was talking about when he banned Chris. I can't remember. It was in the Critique my singing section and he posted a song there. And it got some critique!! lol. That's when I deleted my account. It was too childish and the little respect I may have had all disappeared. "Childish in Time"

Hahaha well played man!

"I guess you could say he got...

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...Childish In Time...

http://youtu.be/SHhrZgojY1Q?t=7m45s

I've seen that video before and keep it bookmarked and I think it is fantastic. Even though I don't sing that music I learned a great deal from paying attention to his notes throughout that instructional video. Great stuff.
Thanks for posting that...I was actually going to post that earlier today

I still don't know what all that censoring was about. Why go through all that trouble if you were just making a subforum for it anyway?

I wonder if he visits this forum...

Chris Miyai was excellent! Thanks for posting that. Sounded like Felipe on the A4s.

I'm with Felipe let's put on our big boy pants on and be grown ups no bashing or talking down about someone. Let's have intelligent conversations and real questions.

True Wabba, but why say it here? As far as we know Rob won't be seeing this for a long time and if he does I'm sure he would hate to see it indirectly as much as directly...

If you want to suggest he improves something about the way he does business, why not be professional and directly helpful and send him a gentle tactful email about it. If you think that's a bad idea, then I'd say that's a sign it's probably best to say nothing and move on. Let Rob do his own thing, while this forum will do it better...all good actions eventually spread and influence others naturally. My point is, how does talking about him behind his back do any good? Notifying forum members on here when it's already obvious if you see it on TMV?

I know, I know, that last post I made in this thread is guilty of this dynamic too, I screwed up. I would like to delete it but don't know how.

OwenKorzec said

True Wabba, but why say it here? As far as we know Rob won't be seeing this for a long time and if he does I'm sure he would hate to see it indirectly as much as directly...

If you want to suggest he improves something about the way he does business, why not be professional and directly helpful and send him a gentle tactful email about it. If you think that's a bad idea, then I'd say that's a sign it's probably best to say nothing and move on. Let Rob do his own thing, while this forum will do it better...all good actions eventually spread and influence others naturally. My point is, how does talking about him behind his back do any good? Notifying forum members on here when it's already obvious if you see it on TMV?

I know, I know, that last post I made in this thread is guilty of this dynamic too, I screwed up. I would like to delete it but don't know how.

No you're right Owen. It's pretty hypocritical of me to talk about this on another forum and not send him a private message or e-mail instead. This was not the place to post something like this... I think he got the memo long ago because there wasn't another confrontation on the forum since "CIT". I apologize and will speak no further on this! I was wrong to do that here. I wish there was a delete option as I was thinking the exact things as soon as I posted...

Lesson learned in forum politics!

Sorry to the rest of you guys. I sort of started this whole malicious discussion. I won't ever talk of these things unless I intend on settling it privately.

Nice to see you here, Ken.