http://tosh.cc.com/video-clips.....heerleader

Still Ken, would you agree that one on one lessons with an amazing coach, who really can sing, is better than a course. Assuming this coach is really experienced (Mine is about 30 years old, has a 4 octave modal register, pulls chest up to C5 before mixing and belts up to C6 and C#6 in compressed head voice).

I feel that a coach can tell you what you are doing right and what you are doing wrong and you can misinterpret things in a course

OwenKorzec said

True Wabba, but why say it here? As far as we know Rob won't be seeing this for a long time and if he does I'm sure he would hate to see it indirectly as much as directly...

If you want to suggest he improves something about the way he does business, why not be professional and directly helpful and send him a gentle tactful email about it. If you think that's a bad idea, then I'd say that's a sign it's probably best to say nothing and move on. Let Rob do his own thing, while this forum will do it better...all good actions eventually spread and influence others naturally. My point is, how does talking about him behind his back do any good? Notifying forum members on here when it's already obvious if you see it on TMV?

I know, I know, that last post I made in this thread is guilty of this dynamic too, I screwed up. I would like to delete it but don't know how.

No you're right Owen. It's pretty hypocritical of me to talk about this on another forum and not send him a private message or e-mail instead. This was not the place to post something like this... I think he got the memo long ago because there wasn't another confrontation on the forum since "CIT". I apologize and will speak no further on this! I was wrong to do that here. I wish there was a delete option as I was thinking the exact things as soon as I posted...

Lesson learned in forum politics!

Sorry to the rest of you guys. I sort of started this whole malicious discussion. I won't ever talk of these things unless I intend on settling it privately.

Ok...I'm not saying anyone here is angry but I still think that quote fits. Complaining, attacking, trying to hurt by words or actions are all ways of bitching about someone we think may be an A-hole or whatever. However none of it does anything to the other person but more often than not comes back to you. In a case like this you should feelhappy for yourself and bad for them. If you aren't like them then you are doing good. it is the other person who has a problem and we should be sad for them. Being angry only hurts you....not them.

I know I posted also, but only because I find humor in it. I have no interest in any of these programs and don't belong to his forum so could really care less.

If you want to suggest he improves something about the way he does business, why not be professional and directly helpful and send him a gentle tactful email about it. If you think that's a bad idea, then I'd say that's a sign it's probably best to say nothing and move on. Let Rob do his own thing, while this forum will do it better...all good actions eventually spread and influence others naturally. My point is, how does talking about him behind his back do any good? Notifying forum members on here when it's already obvious if you see it on TMV?

I know, I know, that last post I made in this thread is guilty of this dynamic too, I screwed up. I would like to delete it but don't know how.

You see, the main issue is, Robert's forum is completely public. That means that any discussion/heated debate is out in the open. When a complete stranger that is interested in TVS and joins the forum first to see what its all about, what will happen if they see all that took place in the "Child In Time" thread? All I'm saying is when something gets heated, the way Robert reacts to the conflict puts him in a bad light to someone that is completely new to who Robert Lunte is and what TVS is. I just wanted to voice my concerns about the way Rob approaches his forum behavior. I tried to say it in as polite a way as possible so if Robert ever reads this, he knows I'm being completely sincere and not saying this to bust his balls and to stroke my ego , but to make him take a good look on the way he reacts to honest critique and for him to consider applying a more diplomatic and patient demeanor on the forum when things get rough.

It's not that I really disagree, believe me, I had my share of weirdness both on the internet and live with some teachers.

Fine, we would like that things were different in regards to the TMV forums, I saw the changes too and it seems that the liberty we had, which was one of the reasons why I think that place was cool, is going to be restricted in one way or another (something that took way longer than what I expected). Yet, all that I saw changing was the auto-edit on content we posted.

But... We are on a forum about vocal technique, not about these people...

I don't think it's cool to talk about individuals in this manner. Yes it was weird, no question, but let's keep it on the technical side. There are tons of weird things on the internet about singing, some are plain bizarre. But oh well, just talking about it in here to have a laugh wont change anything.

So I suggest we keep it specific and objective, instead of bashing. I don't think it's necessary to do so. As you can all see from the postings made here, actions speak louder than words, be it for good or for bad ;).

wabba_treads420 said

"I guess you could say he got...

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...Childish In Time...

hehehehe nice one

wabba_treads420 said

I still don't know what all that censoring was about. Why go through all that trouble if you were just making a subforum for it anyway?

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It's probably easier to control and censor if you have it contained.

wabba_treads420 said

I wonder if he visits this forum...

I doubt it. At least not yet anyway. Otherwise he'd have blown a girly fit by now and spouted off somewhere on TMV (or here) about it. But you never know. (and I see at least one Mod from the TMV is a member here).

I wonder if he visits this forum...

Chris Miyai was excellent! Thanks for posting that. Sounded like Felipe on the A4s.

Yiiiiiiiiiikes!