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3:47 am
July 5, 2015
Offlinehttps://app.box.com/s/2kp2ab2g1qxnwnq6yy56i3rtqtcxhnlb
Link should go to the box.com mp3 player with the file cued up and ready.
Working on phrasing and dynamics as well as not messing up guitar lol I tried to keep a healthy-ish amount of closure while still trying not to be overly LAAHHHHH if you know what I mean? I didn't want to be mariah carey airy either, but I wanted some tenderness and thinning out I guess? I think my natural tendency is to press the heck out of my phonation so I've been working on singing below my higher range and trying to get it right from the bottom up. I think I still pressed on some of the words noticeably... Feedback is much appreciated.
Mic hiss should be much less of a problem now, hopefully.
12:02 am
September 2, 2014
OfflineSounds nice, but I notice you are doing a lot of covers with light singing, can you try something full voice? You're nearly in a half voice here, I know you were going for that in the beekeeper cover but I hear you adding a bit more volume here but it's not much more. I still haven't heard you go full on the sound yet.
I don't hear you pressing at all, I hear you letting too much air through and getting a loose and relaxed cord closure, it's causing you to lose any kind of "spark" in your tone…you're not bringing out your full tonal character.
Here are some examples of the sound the voice takes on when you get into your medium loud volume more,the voice where the voice operates the most efficiently and comes out the most clearly. Of course they are varying the volume but they are sitting around the voice where the voice is fully engaged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJWM5FmZyqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxmk-z5wocg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqkwykA4iFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNOnyIXy8Mg
you always want to be able to return to this volume and not get STUCK in a light way of singing. All the best lighter singers can bring this color out in their voices too. It comes out a lot in that middle high range between the C4-C5 when they really go for it, but are still singing clean. I haven't heard you go there with your voice and it's a very important ability to have in your artistic palate as well as important to center the voice technically. You want that same clarity in your low range too and that will help you with your low notes here, the only difference is that at lower pitches it comes in quieter in volume and the resonance doesn't sing out quite as much, but it will maintain clarity.
So I think the next thing for you to study is applying what you are doing to a louder volume that will really open up your full voice.
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12:51 am
July 5, 2015
OfflineHahaha so I can understand your feelings on that. So I used to vocalize every day in a very chesty phonation with KTVA's huge wide smiling LAH and I found I could never "back off" of it. And I love all of the artists you posted, except the last video... that guy's new to me but he sounds great! Gospel singers are beasts lol. The covers I have been recording have been notably soft because I also found that it seems my neighbors and I can hear each other a bit too well, so I have been trying to keep my side down a bit. I try to make the best of that by at least attempting to work on thin phonations more.
Here's an example of something I was singing today that's got a little more closure in many places and some actual less airy head voice parts as well. The phrasing is what I'm really really really focused on, the beginnings and ends of lines because I find I never paid enough attention to them and it's not natural to sound decent lol I also like using air as an effect to help soften the first half of this song. I get a bit heavier for sure around 3:19 and then try to swell and come back down.
https://app.box.com/s/bwpt4lbbcez2it5c68pcva2uiiw59kua - Weathered by Jack Garratt take 2
See how Jack does it. He's a master though... no lie. Pretty jealous of his work. You ever heard of him, Owen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHH6K17zig
Here's me singing A Change Is Gonna Come in the car on a whim a couple weeks ago while driving along a country highway in complete darkness... this is what it sounds like when I don't think about technique aside from trying to not slouch too hard and just go for it and try to just "hit notes". Embarrassing video of car-singing really lol... with a little experimentation with distortion. My chest coordination is probably overdeveloped and shouty compared to my head register in my own estimations. 
This is what I sounded like two years ago with no decent head coordination developed. Let's Get It On... is one of my favorite songs (that you just actually suggested in your post just now lmao)
3:43 am
September 2, 2014
OfflineOkay so as for not being able to back off the "LAH" stuff, first of all you need to make sure you're getting that loud sound without any problems (otherwise you CANT back off) and then backing off it correctly is yet another skill on top of that. It IS fucking difficult as shit to do it perfectly
(this is why messa di voce exercises are so brutal), but you should seek to achieve that freedom to go from soft to loud and back at least up to the lower passaggio area. If there's an inability to back off though, it's not strong engagement of chest voice that's at fault, it's constriction coupled with it. When singing without constriction you'll be able to go as loud as you can and still smoothly thin out to as soft as you can after you've gone loud...and then go loud AGAIN...and then go soft etc all on the same note on any note of your range
About the neighbors thing - I understand this is a real concern for a lot of people but it's really not good for the voice to completely adapt by just deciding to practice quieter a lot. I mean if it's what your voice needs, sure, but I don't hear that to be the case for you. You should still try to practice in the same way you would if noise weren't an issue...working on all the dynamics your voice can create. Even if it means spending some time singing into a pillow or some other absorbent material just to be able to spend some time fully engaging the voice, or perhaps heading out to the car to do your louder practice, or asking your neighbors when they are out of the house and making use of that time. Otherwise you can imbalance the voice by spending too much time on the thinner stuff. Based on your clip in the car it seems you haven't lost much of that ability to fully engage the voice, so you are relatively safe, but too much light practice can make you almost "forget" that feeling if you're not careful to revisit it regularly. Plus there are some problems with it that could be easily worked out if you were to spent more practice time in your full volume. One thing you are doing is spreading too much on the sound in the wrong way which is part of why the highest notes are unstable. Try practicing loud but without letting the lips widen horizontally from a neutral position, just open the mouth vertically only. You can use your hands on your face to squish your lips inwards from the sides to help get used to the position and then take them off and try to prevent that spreading without the hands as a crutch.
I hadn't heard of Jack Garratt before, he sounds nice.
On the first clip...okay you're CLOSE, but you can still lean a bit more when you want to go for louder moments, and you should except a bit of brightness to enter the tone to replace the airiness. Pay attention to how Jack does it. When he goes loud, the airiness is gone and he has a bit of "metal" in the tone, that's what you want. But if you never get to a certain amount of intensity that metal won't really enter into the voice because the closure will not be strong enough. Another byproduct of stronger closure is an added depth in the sound, and not like a forced of fake kind of depth but truly this feeling of like your voice digging deeper down into your body and it has a particular sound to it, an undeniable kind of depth that makes your body vibrate, not an artificial dopey low larynx kind of depth. Of course for your voice since you're a tenor it won't be SUPER deep, just deeper than you may be used to.
By the way another thing I'm noticing with your light singing is that I don't hear a natural vibrato coming out of you, instead it's more of this kind of airy "shiver" thing. That's nice an as effect, but when practicing technique, try to get the pitch fluctuating, not just the volume. I notice you get this a little more in the change is gonna come clip because you are using your voice at its more natural volume! Same thing happens for me. I need good cord closure in order to do it, and what I'm hearing with your light singing is that your cord closure is too relaxed as evidenced by the vibrato not coming in correctly. It's certainly fine to use more relaxed closure like that, but it's just not the way you want to sing all the time. If you were to, you'd probably fatigue your voice quite quickly from too much air flow.
As for let's get it on...same as with change is gonna come, in both cases I'm not hearing underdeveloped head or overdeveloped chest, a lot of the registration you are doing there is fine, you're in your full voice and mixing toward the top notes in the right area. The main problem I hear in lets get it on was just the phrasing (which you have since improved tremendously on these new covers, nice work), and not using the voice as efficiently and flexibly as you probably can now. But when you go up to a Bb4 it should still have that intensity you got in the let's get it on cover if you are singing in a medium loud volume. It will just have more head resonance, making it sound more free and less tight. Same with the Change is gonna come cover, you are in the ballpark intensity wise for if you were to sing in the center of your voice where the closure is full and the voice operates the most efficiently. You just need to make some tone and resonant adjustments so that you can be stable and flexible up there.
I guess what I'm basically trying to say is that those louder clips are your natural voice, they are NOT too heavy or chesty, they just need to be refined some. If you can give the listener some moments of that kind of volume even in your lighter interpretations, where musically appropriate, it will really help add dynamic interest. When you sing lighter you have a tendency to only hang around between light to BARELY medium volume...you are varying the volume nicely, but it doesn't really have a strong effect because you're never going loud enough to where you can hear that "metal" or "ring" of the voice start to kick in. You need to go medium loud to get that. It will really benefit you artistically to add some moments going up to that dynamic in your softer arrangements if at all possible, it will give more life to your singing. Some songs won't need it, like I think that beekeeper cover sounded fine just sung all light, but for Weathered and Stable Song, you can absolutely lean in more than you did at times especially since the songs are slowly and give you a lot of space to vary dynamics. Just be sure that when you lean in you don't spread the sound as I was talking about. Preventing the lips from spreading horizontally will help prevent the sound from getting too jarringly bright as you add some moments of louder volume...it will still pick up some brightness from more full closure kicking in but you want to keep the overall vowel tone nice and mellow.
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4:23 pm
July 5, 2015
OfflinePreciate your replies Owen. Everytime someone calls me a tenor, I smile and blush a little on the inside, remembering when teachers would classify me a low or even bass-bari because of the struggle I would have with tenor 2 parts lol. Jack Garratt just won the BBC New Artist award or something recently, and I swear every video of him I watch just blows me away with how much skill and talent he has with every facet of musical production lol...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr00h0t2oJg
What I'd give to have that voice, guitar chops, creativity, AND that sense of rhythm.
So the neighbors thing is a big hindrance indeed. I generally try to get about 20-30 min of loud mf-ff vocalizing done in the car per day and also spend about 15 min/day doing my KTVA-style (thicker phonation) scales into a pillow or two wrapped around by a blanket, and while it seems to be just enough to dampen, it also feels mildly suffocating after a while and makes it harder to interpret what frequencies are sounding good or bad. And my neighbors and I aren't that friendly. I'm currently trying to wait for the BeltBox to go back into production so I can order one (http://beltyafaceoff.com/) because I'm loud as all heck when I warm up. It is more of an issue of I can do nothing and let everything get worse and lose the familiarity I was beginning to find in some coordinations, or I can try to make the best of it... without talking to my neighbors.
Excerpt from noodling around during warmups today. My "natural" voice
https://app.box.com/s/mttuc2c9atxfrbm1ysgz1binoygx0860
In the file: LAH-AH-AH with decent closure, a Rossini arpeggio on LAH from C4-G5 or something like that wrapped through two thick pillows, and an EE/i vowel
Everything def feels easier freer than it did a few months ago... blasphemously especially after I started adding some mums, gee, and gugs as well as Breaking The Chains into workouts lol.
I recently went back to Felipe's series on Support Breathing and Phonation and have been practicing more of those exercises to release the constrictions and I can really feel the difference now. I noticed the circular breathing and plugging ears exercise is much easier to stay consistent with now, and I'm able to consistently start my phonation without a ton of extra constrictions when doing simple practice onsets. I've definitely been doing the relaxing "melting the face" and noticing great improvements with that as well. Bickie-bye-bo-boo with tough consonants for me is also doing wonders for reducing my problem of tightening up on consonants (learned that one from Kevin Richards).
You should note what you hear from the Let's Get It On recording is the result of many many takes back then due to lack of consistency in coordination and stamina before. That's the "best" I could do at the time lol I appreciate you saying I was mixing toward the top notes in the right area... sadly that was literally as much "mixing" as I could muster at that time - there was no "heady" mix that I could access at the time. The biggest problem I have with it (more of a symptom), looking back now, was how much effort I felt the entire time - it didn't feel like I was using "energy" efficiently as much as I was "fighting" tensions and tendencies - luckily it's wasn't a classical aria so the tone doesn't have to be free as a bird but it did not feel like something I could reproduce consistently at that time. Now the first few lines are in reach even when I'm just messing around, as long as I pause to think about my set up before I take a breath and belt it out, so at least things are improving lol
I think I was going so hard into KTVA and being overly attentive to Ken's cues when he asked me to smile horizontally and open my mouth as wide as I could and then push air without first being aware of the sensation of unconstricted breathing.
I feel like you're really heavily suggesting that I sing only in my "natural" voice... It's always difficult to understand via the blocks of text we communicate through. I feel that my natural voice is has a variety of sound colors and effects. What you hear in my covers is NOT how I would vocalize to warm up or further technique. Another fellow singer who's been listening to me sing for years (poor guy lol) can definitely hear my individual tone and color even in the Weathered practice. I personally prefer my tone lighter and airier when I'm singing folksier singer-songwriter things for the more intimate aspect of that, I feel I can be more expressive and it fits the genre well - but I'm definitely still a novice so I can agree that my use of air is not always optimal, but I'm not trying to eliminate it completely either. I will seek to develop a balance of weight and air hopefully as I work on it and try to gain control of the sensations.
My studies and experiences lead me to believe this likely chain of relationships for my individual case:
Constricting unnecessarily during breathing (before phonation) -> constricting during phonation in many cases -> all the bad stuff (spreading horizontally, jaw/tongue/neck tension, larynx jumping up, excess effort). And before proper free breathing and onsets becomes reflexive, consistency will undoubtedly suffer.
At least it's easy to learn to breathe correctly and quietly the way Felipe teaches without bothering anyone.
12:32 am
September 2, 2014
OfflineSick video! here's really taking full control of his musical vision, love it!
Yea what I'm trying to explain to you is definitely tricky! Maybe have a listen to how I've been singing dynamically lately...there are a lot of things with this I need to improve here (I recorded this a few months ago) but what I do believe I got right is the dynamic spectrum I was taking up. Notice I go all the way from soft singing to loud singing within a short little song and I'm using a mixture of clear moments and airy moments.
https://app.box.com/s/z17hd2uq1nhyjqs73ml2wegk02k2n2gm
For a lighter song I feel you can still use that much contrast, it will just go more soft at its softest and not as loud at its loudest. For an airier kind of song, again, contrast of more and less airy but you'll just use a clear tone a bit less.
I just think often you are not really bringing out enough variety in your voice in terms of having some airy moments and some moments of full closure and taking that airiness out...it's like all slightly airy or all full closure. You seem to just choose one or the other for any particular song, but I think the best singers use both in practically any song. Jack Garratt certainly does. There's a really magic in using both colors. You don't even have to go loud to take out the air.
Pay attention to how this guy implements what I'm talking about - he's a lighter voice and also trying to go for a lighter feel, but notice the variety of more or less airiness and some moments just singing clean and clean...AS WELL as variety of dynamics...even though he's in a lighter vibe he makes the full use of soft to medium loud dynamics in pretty much every song he sings. He can also go soft AND clear. (loud and airy is no good as you hopefully know haha)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4-c_1wZqas
Think of soft to loud as a spectrum and experiment with using all of it in a song's interpretation (within artistic reason given the dynamic range the song calls for), and the same goes for the spectrum of very airy to full closure. You can indeed get a lot of colors out of your voice, but I guess what I mean is that you should try to use more of those colors within the same song and not feel like you have to get stuck in one mode of singing.
Let me know if this is clearing things up or if we're just chasing our tails trying to communicate with each other. Text is definitely a weird way to communicate singing, I personally always understood things better by hearing them demonstrated.
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4:55 am
July 5, 2015
OfflineHahaha dude Stevie Mackey! He's amazing. I listened to him running Jojo and some other singers who take from him through some vocalizes and it was some crazy ish. One way to develop serious chops at that level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAAm45pRvVU
Can't imagine if any of my teachers had asked me to repeat that after them lol... not that they could either. Perhaps in time, heh. But yeah, if I could sing half as well as he can, I'd probably be at a pretty highly advanced level. Not sure why they didn't just have him teach all the singers on the Voice since he's already one of the back up singers!
I think your point is clear and it makes sense. Your points are valid and I'm going to keep them in mind when I practice in the future. I feel we have a slight divergence in terms of what we feel is "acceptable" or "preferable" or "pleasing" when it comes to music - or at least I am more tolerant of what many would consider less technique in some genres. Like how some people can't stand Bob Dylan or heavily distorted vocals while others love it. I draw my line somewhere around Bright Eyes and Elliott Smith when it comes to what I would consider acceptable - they made do or made up for their lack of vocal tools somehow but I think the technique problems detract from live performances. There is a way to do airy that is consistent as long as the compression is right and I do agree that I can always work to do more and better.That's what I'm going to aim for. If I want to get better at singing with some air and increasing/decreasing airiness, I definitely do have to practice it just like I practice belting and thick singing.
Nice demo. I can hear the progress in your voice over the years as well. You sound like you've gained a lot more control of your tone and width of vowels, and def sounds different from the last gig video you posted.
2:10 pm
September 2, 2014
OfflineI can relate to you with tolerating not so great singers. But most great singers I talk to really can't, so I think it's just something you will find as you develop and I notice I've been heading slightly in that direction myself. The best singers end up developing a really strong empathy for other singers to the point where bad singing can give them physical discomfort! That's really the reason why some people have so much hatred for bad singing.
Thanks for the kind words on the demo Slow Start. I feel like I am just getting started on truly becoming a SINGER, not just a guy who hits pitches, and I never realized before how much I was lacking that stylistic aspect.
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