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1:35 am
September 2, 2014
OfflineHey guys. I've wanted to work on an stripped down piano/vocal version of this one so I threw something together today. It's not at all a finished product but please let me know what you think. Especially any critique on the singing, lyrics, and arrangement as those are the main iffy areas for me. I'm still trying to sort out more details in order to to bring this to life the way I want but this feels about 75% there so I figured I'd share where I'm at and get some feedback.
https://app.box.com/s/i9e1wsh1unw4h1y87pxg
Also as a side note I decided to just record a full vocal take no punch ins or anything. I almost never do that on a serious recording but I wanted to kill two birds with one stone and practice singing it like a performance since I plan on performing it soon.
I have a full band arrangement of this song worked together already, that's what I wrote first and artistically, I actually love it more than anything I've ever done, but I had to key it higher to keep it from getting muddy, making the vocal melody go up to a high C. That's literally the only problem with it, otherwise the arrangement already feels too in the pocket to touch anything, so I'm going to have to deal with it and train my voice up to that level over time. So in the interim I'm working on this very different acoustic version that can be more tailored to my current range.
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6:46 pm
September 2, 2014
OfflineBump. Any critique would be greatly appreciated please! ![]()
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9:23 pm
August 19, 2014
OfflineHi Owen,
I really like this song of yours. Excellent songwriting and piano playing.
25sec - "as I lay around" don't spread on the lay. "around" that was nice and I like how you keep it tender and light.
"i figure out" figure needs to not spread just like LAY. out is nice and light and fades out nicely good job.
"slowly but surely" nice and tender good job. On sureley keep it darker don't spread.
"the life i want to leave" open the jaw vertically don't spread. Nice fade out on leave.
"but it's not coming out" accentuate those fade ins more like waves that you ride, keep them more legato and darker, too much spreading.
"with any sound" too much spreading. on "sound" add a fade as you hold that note on the lick.
"will I ever feel" keep the EE more dark and hooty and fade it in strongly.
1:09 the whoa don't spread it. nice fade into those "oo's"
1:18 "I'm looking through" very tight, work on releasing this into the head and singing with less grip on the sound.
"a mirror view" dont spread. keep the bright ping in the forehead without openign the mouth so much
"i imagine all" sing the ALL like you would speak it, you are affecting your tone too much and it is unnatural.
"the love" dont slide up to the note, practice just hitting the note, it will help you thin it out properly.
"but i havent a clue" sounds awkward to me, slur the words more and make them more airy then spread them over the beat like this "but-i-hav-ent-a-clue" instead of "but-i-hvnt...a clue"
"how to make" slamming the make. sing it through more closed lips, fade it in. Nice OO at the end fade out the lick.
"sleep" nice EE!!
"will i ever" think speech quality you are awkwardly phrasing these and it is constricting you.
"feel" is close but you need to let it go more to the head.
"complete" nice fading out, dont spread on it!
3:30 way too much spreading, sounds awkward. but nice dynamics
3:40 you lost it here, you need to release it up to the head not grip it into the chest. also "control" the way you quickly and suddenly stop the phrases kills it.
3:50 all constricted and gripped into the mouth.
You know I'm gonna say all that though already haha, we have been working on it in lessons.The song I told you to work on in the last email and this song I think will be good to work on in our lesson. Let's do it.
I understand this was a one take and of course it's easy for me to sit back and pick it apart when you're actually DOING IT so please don't take it the wrong way.
@PhilMoufarrege
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12:11 am
September 2, 2014
OfflineThank you so much for the detailed critique Phil.
One more thing, could you please let me know - at the high part from 2:10-2:30, was I using too much air on the G#4's, and how can I make that last word "love" sound more natural, stable, relaxed?
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12:18 am
August 19, 2014
OfflineOwenKorzec said
at the high part from 2:10-2:30, was I using too much air on the G#4's,
From what I can hear that is not so much the issue.
OwenKorzec said
how can I make that last word "love" sound more natural, stable, relaxed?
Exactly the process we went through yesterday bro
That Ah needs very relaxed lips (almost like your face is numb) and the vowel needs to be sent straight up to the back of the head so that it can ring clearly. You're holding it in the mouth like we talked about yesterday. You gotta get out of the way more and more.
I recommend warming up to the recording of yesterdays lesson and following the instructions I give in there. Also when you sing, make sure you get your fingers snapping, it will help your phrasing to run more rhythmically to the music.
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3:25 am
September 2, 2014
OfflinePhil Moufarrege said Also when you sing, make sure you get your fingers snapping, it will help your phrasing to run more rhythmically to the music.
I think some of the rhythm issues you're hearing here might actually a problem with how I wrote the song. I purposely unstraightened the melodic rhythm from the more intuitive way because I felt it sounded too boring and straight. Next lesson I'll show you the everything-on-the-beat way in contrast - it's very different, a lot more generic and I purposely didn't want to keep the song that bland, but it's a valid argument that the way I tried to break from ultimately gets perceived as out of time, especially with the stripped down arrangement.
If it feels like things are actually sixteenth notes etc. off, I think that's the main reason. Is that what you're hearing more?
Or if it's a "feel" issue I think it's one or more of these other variables:
-I got some latency on this recording and had to manually drag it back and just guessed the correct syncing by ear.
-A lot of times when I'm singing high in full voice I fall out of time because I'm trying so hard to keep the technique together and I'm kind of actively listening too much to myself and not the music
-I could have also set the headphone mix too quiet or it's just not rhythmically strong enough just using one earphone.
I'll try the finger snapping, but isn't the mic going to pick it up too much? I do agree with getting the body moving in time somehow though and there are almost always barely audible ways to do it. I usually do it with the other instruments I play at moments where groove is really important
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4:39 am
August 19, 2014
OfflineDon't overthink what I said
. It's a simple as this:
OwenKorzec said
-A lot of times when I'm singing high in full voice I fall out of time because I'm trying so hard to keep the technique together and I'm kind of actively listening too much to myself and not the music
It's that.
OwenKorzec said I'll try the finger snapping, but isn't the mic going to pick it up too much?
you just do it when you practice.
@PhilMoufarrege
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6:29 pm
August 17, 2014
OfflineHey Owen,
The song is a nice composition. I like the piano arrangement. The main thing I'm hearing that's preventing the song from coming to life is your phrasing. The phrasing is just "musically flat" through a lot of it, so it doesn't take on life. It's hard to explain in writing, so I made a short little clip for you.
https://app.box.com/s/a3dkj117pus7p5rs5hq2ykq1tzpognbq
Forgive me for messing up some of your melody and altering some of your rhythms. I just saw above where you said you intentionally made some of the beats a sixteenth off. With that sound, to my ears, it feels less awkward and flows better to do everything with the beat -- I tried singing it with the rhythm you had and I kept hearing NOOOOO in my head, lol. I think if the piano arrangement wasn't so structured with a steady, metered beat, doing those off 16th notes would sound cool. But it's just an idea. The final decision is up to you. ![]()
3:22 am
September 2, 2014
OfflineThanks a lot for the taking the time to make that clip Dante. I completely understand what you're talking about.
I also agree with you about the off beats sounding funny for this arrangement. However I'd like to get your opinion on how they work on the fuller arrangement I'm working on. I don't want to post it publicly, so I'll email you the clip.
My original music:
https://soundcloud.com/owen-korzec
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All kinds of stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/user/owenkorzec
2:28 pm
September 5, 2014
OfflineHey Owen,
I think Marnell hit the nail on the head here. I knew something sounded a bit off but couldn't quite put my finger on it and once I heard Marnell's clip, it made it clear. Great clip Marnell! I learned a lot from the clip.
Another thing I wanted to add is that from a technical perspective the phrase "Will I ever feel complete" was strained and lacked proper cord closure and support, but as I see here you are taking lessons with Phil and I am sure he is addressing these issues in the lessons. Normally I would recommend exercises to work on it but I'm sure Phil has that covered.
2:02 am
November 11, 2014
Offline11:17 pm
August 19, 2014
OfflineIt is a good song indeed. Great songwriter.
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