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Volume & Effort
October 15, 2014
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I cannot for the life of me keep it down.

Once I hit the E4 - A4 area I can't keep the sound consistent.
I'm holding back the area, modifying and supporting. Is it something I've just got to get over time?

I'm also having trouble with singing E4 upwards. This is a big step down for me, E4 just feels like it's no longer there. I've warmed up, done the necessary things but it feels like I'm struggling with it.

October 15, 2014
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What are you doing dude? Last time I saw you, you were soaring...
Go watch the recording we did of last session and warm up with it and see what's up...
Could be the illness too. It messed me up for about a week.

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October 15, 2014
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DeffStarr said

I cannot for the life of me keep it down.

Once I hit the E4 - A4 area I can't keep the sound consistent.
I'm holding back the area, modifying and supporting. Is it something I've just got to get over time?

I'm also having trouble with singing E4 upwards. This is a big step down for me, E4 just feels like it's no longer there. I've warmed up, done the necessary things but it feels like I'm struggling with it.

man there could be a million reasons for this:

see if you have made any changes lately in the realm of:
-not exercising enough
-not eating healthy enough
-not drinking enough water
-not practicing enough
-not practicing carefully and/or thoroughly enough
-not resting enough
-practicing in a totally different acoustical location
-working on different songs/exercises that may not be helping
that's just a tiny list of what it could be BESIDES technique

just because you are modifying, supporting, and holding back, doesn't mean you are doing all three things correctly in balance.

If you were just sick as Phil mentioned, that throws a lot of things off in a very frustrating way so don't even worry about it. It's like being rewound a year backwards in your vocal training, and any effort to compensate to try to find a new way get the notes out you usually can, will just make matters worse. So focus more on healing. Besides the obvious (sleep, healthy food, water, vocal rest), some overlooked things that have helped me are continuing to exercise physically while sick (for me, running), drinking a lot of pineapple juice (loads of vitamin C and a natural anti-inflammatory) and gentle vocalizing such as lip bubbles.

October 15, 2014
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Also, trying to sing quieter just for the sake of singing quieter can really screw you up. Stick to your comfortable volume even if it seems too loud (especially comparing to other singers - that can be misleading). If you get comfortable there and work on technique so that you're anchoring far enough away from the throat to keep it free, the lower dynamics will become a lot more available.

October 16, 2014
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It may be the sore throat and cough. I started to sing with a lighter connection so I didn't cough and splutter.

Also I'm currently doing 3 54 hour weeks and I'm just tired. I get home at 7, have tea and literally go to bed, then back at it at 8 am. I'm exhausted and have no energy or motivation. I've found my voice drying up around 8pm where as I used to be able to sing well into the early hours.

So coupled with the illness and lack of energy and motivation and practice this may be why.

In terms of volume I just feel I'm really shouting. Like there's a clear difference from the say C4-G4 if I did a scale. Not extreme shouting but a definite loudness.

October 16, 2014
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DeffStarr said

It may be the sore throat and cough. I started to sing with a lighter connection so I didn't cough and splutter.

Also I'm currently doing 3 54 hour weeks and I'm just tired. I get home at 7, have tea and literally go to bed, then back at it at 8 am. I'm exhausted and have no energy or motivation. I've found my voice drying up around 8pm where as I used to be able to sing well into the early hours.

So coupled with the illness and lack of energy and motivation and practice this may be why.

In terms of volume I just feel I'm really shouting. Like there's a clear difference from the say C4-G4 if I did a scale. Not extreme shouting but a definite loudness.

Looks like you answered your own question. Smile

You really just have so many variables going against you: sickness, exhaustion, not enough practice, etc.

Make sure first of all you are getting enough sleep, exercise, and eating right - start there. If your work schedule is interfering with that on a significant level (and I suspect it is), put most of your mental focus on getting your physical health up to a point to where you're not exhausted first.

During that time, for your vocal practice slightly lower the difficulty of your vocal workouts and singing to help you increase the consistency of your practice (it's better to practice easy consistently than practice hard rarely) and compensate for everything feeling harder due to exhaustion. Once you are doing better physically (which will improve your mental and emotional state) bring back the difficulty.

I've been exhausted before and it makes my voice go wild and "fly forward" a lot, it's just a normal symptom...the solution is fixing the exhaustion honestly - by making sure you're consistently fueling up your body with the necessary energy through your health.

You might want to try to figure out what is your lowest threshold of health you never want to let yourself go below and really commit to that. The least you can get away with consistently (for me, average 6.5 hours of sleep, 30 mins exercise twice a week, 3 meals a day, full hydration, i'll do fine), what can you get away with once in a while but not repeat (the occasional 3 hour night, 2 meals a day, one week without serious exercise as long as I'm staying active about everyday tasks), and your optimum (average 8-9 hours of sleep, an hour of exercise a day, 3 meals a day, full hydration)

Don't think too much about exact numbers - I had to think of those as I typed, but you want to just develop an intuitive sense of it and create habits that follow your body's demands.

I think that kind of awareness is very important if you're a singer caught up in a busy lifestyle. For me, it's being in music school full time and gigging late nights every weekend - really not that bad a schedule, but I still have to be cognizant of my health.

October 16, 2014
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I tried getting back into the gym but the only time I get is straight after work around 7-8, then it's tea time and then straight to bed to do it all over again.

What annoys me is I basically stand around for 9 hours when I could easily be doing something a lot more productive, but hey that's life.

I have breakfast at 8, dinner 2/3, tea around 7-8, bed at 11. Rinse. Repeat. It monotonous and it's driving me insane. I actually feel slightly depressed.

October 16, 2014
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Like I told you awhile back Jordan, you gotta start looking for other jobs (even if you think there are none - still look for them). Otherwise you will be stuck in this situation.
Your irregular training is what is causing the issue because we get you back on track then you fall off the wagon again. Prepare your resume, hell email it to me and I will help you get it together. Then start shooting it to companies.

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October 16, 2014
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DeffStarr said

I tried getting back into the gym but the only time I get is straight after work around 7-8, then it's tea time and then straight to bed to do it all over again.

What annoys me is I basically stand around for 9 hours when I could easily be doing something a lot more productive, but hey that's life.

I have breakfast at 8, dinner 2/3, tea around 7-8, bed at 11. Rinse. Repeat. It monotonous and it's driving me insane. I actually feel slightly depressed.

Definitely take Phil up on his offer to help you out.

I don't think "that's life" is a good filter to see it through, think of the billions of other people with excellent jobs, why would you deserve less? And even the common reasons if it's something like "well I didn't get a degree" well neither did Bill Gates LOL you know?

For the time being see if you can find a creative way to be more active while you work though because standing around for 9 hours is unhealthy. It's a shame certain jobs require that, it's so unnatural...

IF not, if you have ANY free time (sounds like you do between 8 and 11?), one thing you could try is instead of sitting around and relaxing even more when you get home, you could use those few hours of free time to work on your passion, also including even as little as 10 minutes of exercise. Heck, even cut it down to as little as 3 minutes at first, if it helps you build consistency. It's better than nothing.

I know it's very difficult to not just chill out after a hard day, but if you can trick yourself into moving on to work on something more important to you after your work day (maybe Phil can help you with this approach since he has done it) rather than just lounging, then I think you might be happier.

Also 2 meals 6-7 hours apart is pretty light unless they are big meals. I would personally feel very weakened if I was limited to only that little amount of food unless I ate till I'm full both times. 3 meals is a lot more comfortable since you don't have to stuff yourself to get enough food in. Maybe traditions are different where you live, but here in America I if I had your schedule i would have breakfast at 8, but lunch at 2 and dinner at 7.

that being said everyone is different. Sounds like you are getting enough sleep which is good. just a matter of adding a bit more food and exercise and most importantly more time to attend to your passion.

That being said, I should be following my own example hah, it's 9 PM here which is quite late to exercise but think I'll go for a run just because I can feel I need to exercise a lot more. I'm actually going to try to transition toward sprinting since I have less time to jog for a full hour everyday, what I used to do, so since my habit is so strong, instead of dropping it due to inconvenience, I just adapt it....

It's all about habits, creating good ones that get so strong they take you over - it's like when you really don't want to take a shower or brush your teeth and figure you can get away a day without it - but you do it anyways simply because you feel weird if you don't - I try to get all my good habits so strong that they affect me in that way, and it completely contains you from falling into tangents of skipping a routine over and over.

Consistency is incredible. I wish I was way better at it than I currently am.

October 17, 2014
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What's annoying is that I really can't vocalise or exercise at work. I work in retail stood around for 9 hours waiting for the peasants to come in. There's very little movement.

I used to be able to work off 2 meals a day as daft as that sounds, I've never had a big appetite. I could eat a meal in the morning and not eat again till 7/8, not good for you I know. I can probably work off 4-5 hours sleep. I used to be a stupid teenager that would stay up on my xbox till early morning and have to get up at 8 and work 9 hours. Again stupid I know.

My meals consist of bacon and egg sandwich for breakfast, tuna sandwich for dinner, chicken and brown rice in marinade with chicken peas or pasta and gammon in tomatoe puree for tea. I tried swapping out the bacon and egg for weetabix but I can only stomach 2 and im full but then I'm hungry again an hour later and im not able to eat at work only on break.

Its frustrating because I literally just stand around at work, it's not like I'm in a warehouse lugging stuff around or doing anything over the top. It's monotonous I think that's what does it. Like I said by the time I get home my voice is shot, not from talking too much but just from low energy and exhaustion.

I used to work at a bigger store where I moved around a lot more and sold a lot more. I could freely sing away as I walked over to customers or casually sing while I did something. This store is a lot smaller, like a front room so that sort of stuff isn't really acceptable. I was also a lot happier at the bigger store even if the pressure was massive for sales.

I've looked for other jobs and theres literally only jobs with 15 hours nothing more. I need at least 30 to survive.
It has really taken it out of me because I used to go to the gym every day be it working out or cardio or both, 1 hour cardio 1 hour workout. I don't have the motivation or energy.

The other side is not being able to practice. I just lack the energy.

October 17, 2014
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DeffStarr,

With that Schedule, eating habits, and work routine, i think my singing level would plummet in no time.
Standing still without physical exercice is very unhealthy and unnatural. I rarely go shopping, but when i do, i often go back home physically and mentally exhausted because of having to stand still for a long time.

I hear you about monotony and the impact it has on mental and physical health. I currently have to sit six hours a day and write, and study another two to three hours when i am back home. If the teacher or the class is boring, i will go back home entierely depleted, as if someone has sucked all the energy from my body and mind. Boredom has really adverse effect on me.

Changing your eating habits could also be a good start. Man, 2 weetabix in the morning is like starvation ^^. I used to eat 5 weetabix at 8am, and have a normal meal at 12am. Granted, i am a voracious eater. You might need healthier and more energetic food. Bananas are now an important part of my diet. Why? It is cheap, you can carry them easily, it never tastes bad, it fills your stomach, and you don't feel freaking weak at any moment of the day. I eat a minimum of three bananas, but somedays, i will eat 10 of them. Same for avocado, i usually eat a full avocado at 12 am. Cheap, tasty, and healthy. I also snack a lot on almonds and dry fruits, but they are a little more expansive. I remember when i started, i used to binge on almonds up to eating 100g (615 Calories). I still got slim as a model in no time, to the point of loosing my pants and be compelled to buy a belt. If you want energy, you ave to give your body some fuel, and some exercice.

But i will let Phil answer you on that, i think he is more qualified than me

October 17, 2014
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Yeah bananas are one of the best foods around. Just be careful where you store them if you bring them around, I totally ruined a notebook once from throwing a banana in my backpack in the same pocket as all my books and then forgetting it was there. At least I took a funny picture of it! Laugh

Bananas and also granola bars (or nutri-grain bars or whatever fancy name they come up with next - just find a kind that's big enough, healthy and tastes good) are so great for a portable semi-meal

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