

5:04 am

August 19, 2014

Just made a new video talking about healthy and unhealthy sounds. This is my take on it, hope you find this helpful in some way!
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12:25 pm

September 2, 2014

Great vid.
If I can sing fine for several hours, but not 6-8 like you, so does technique account for that difference? It's not like my voice is hoarse by the end of a few hours but I can just sense that any more would be risking damage so I am cautious and back off. I usually refrain from any difficult singing for a day or so when the lighter sounds (falsetto/head voice) begin to kind of cut out and get these gaps or delays in them, as from what I've read that means the folds are swelling. But I will usually get that swelling if I do more than a few hours of difficult singing, several days in a row.
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2:45 pm

September 2, 2014

There is also a "pure endurance" effect, meaning that the more you sing, the more your voice can endure, even if it isn't totally healthy. For instance, sometimes i do freestyle vocal sessions where i try to push my voice a bit, for instance doing death growls, heavy grit on high notes, or just try to hit my range ceiling. It isn't always the healthiest, but i am fine doing this like 15 minutes, while i would have killed my voice two years ago.
One could reply that my technique is better, even if i do the most bizzare sound, so i don't know to which extent one can gain in terms of pure endurance.
Also, its amazing how our body picks up things and adapt. If i gently train vocal grit for one week, at the end of this week, i can sing three hours straight with vocal grit almost anywhere in the fourth octave and feel just fine. But if i haven't trained grit for a long time and did not warm up properly, i will tire my voice in a matter of minutes.
11:42 pm

August 19, 2014

I think you both make good points. Part of it is stamina like Quentin said, although a larger part is technique. Back when I used to just do screaming with no technique, I was able to build up some stamina but it would only be to be able to sing about 40-60 minutes, never multiple hours. And my voice would always be worse the more I sang. Nowadays the more I sing, the BETTER my voice condition is. Nowadays, the more I sing in a day the better my voice is. If I sing 5 hours, my voice is at its best at the 5th hour...if I sing 8 hours, it is at its best on the 8th hour. I just feel things working easier and better.
Of course I am taking mini breaks here and there. What tends to happen is I feel a bit of fatigue set in so I take a break for 5-10 mins, come back and the voice is smoother and stronger and requires less effort to power.
To answer your question Owen...almost no one has perfect technique (it is a lifetime development), which means that we will make small mistakes here and there that may cause a bit of stress or fatigue. The more experience you get, the less you make these mistakes or the less intense these mistakes will be. So what I'm saying is, you will find you can sing for longer and longer periods of time as you get better simply because your technique will be more proficient.
As for grit, it is definitely something I wouldn't want to sing with before a warm up. For me, I feel that if I have to artifically force grit in the sound, it never feels healthy to me. When I can get grit by simply trying to sing more intensely that is when it feels very very healthy to me, I feel it as a layer on top of my clean vocals. And this is how I choose to teach grit to singers...by just getting them to become stronger at increasing their intensity until the grit naturally comes out by itself. When it is done this way I have only noticed positive results.
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4:31 am

September 6, 2014

Nice video Phil,
Though I don't agree on the notion that singing breathy in the higher range is unhealthy. The reason why it feels unhealthy to you is because you are doing it too loud. Breathy sounds are always low in intensity:
4:54 am

September 2, 2014

Martin I agree with you but I think Phil would agree as well. Phil has had me work on similar phonations in our lessons for various purposes relating to both artistry and technique.
To me, his demonstrations in the video show the intensity he is referring his point to so it doesn't need to be explained in words. It could certainly have been improved by extra verbal explanation of that point but that's arguably nitpicking and a road that could lead to perfectionism and the video not getting posted at all
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8:46 pm

August 19, 2014

Martin H said
Nice video Phil,
Though I don't agree on the notion that singing breathy in the higher range is unhealthy. The reason why it feels unhealthy to you is because you are doing it too loud. Breathy sounds are always low in intensity:
No I absolutely agree with you Martin. I am talking about trying to get a powerful chesty sound using excessive breathiness. But as for softer more sexy sounds like the one you posted, for sure. I should have made it more clear in the vid.
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