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The "How does he/she do it?" Thread
October 11, 2014
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Phil Moufarrege
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I saw Rob Halford live in 2008 and he nailed painkiller note for note. I have seen him previously struggle with it in the past.

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October 11, 2014
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But still, when It comes to consistency, Bruce is definitely superior and Bruce actually sings more

btw can you approach judas priest songs with the technique used to approach GNR songs?

October 11, 2014
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I prefer not to think of it as "techniques". Personally I am not a fan of these types of threads because I think the mindset is wrong from the start. People often ask "what technique is he using here", he isn't...he's just singing.

there is only one technique and that is vocal technique. Vocal technique gives you the freedom to artistically explore your voice and make sounds with it. You may want to do some headvoice screams or full voice belts but what enables you to do both of those things is learning good vocal technique and training your voice. When I sing a falsettoey song I don't think "time to engage my falsetto technique".

Learn how to expand your range and power and then simply study each song you want to sing and just sing the songs.

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October 11, 2014
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11:28. It is known that Ian Gillan uses lots of head voice but his G5s here sound very chesty. I sound close to this in my upper mix. Is this in mixed voice or really great head voice Confused

October 11, 2014
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Adding to what Phil said, aim to achieve this control:

and you will sing just whatever the hell you want :P

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October 11, 2014
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But was that scream by Ian Gillan in head voice or mixed. It sounds quite chesty

October 11, 2014
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I don´t know, I can´t do that, so there is no term that I can associate with it.

What do you do to produce that and what do you call it?

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October 11, 2014
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that Ian Gillan scream was just head voice. Most G5's are

October 11, 2014
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OwenKorzec said

that Ian Gillan scream was just head voice. Most G5's are

But it seems he has managed to, with many other singers, to pull up chest resonance into the sound

October 12, 2014
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Justin Chew said

OwenKorzec said

that Ian Gillan scream was just head voice. Most G5's are

But it seems he has managed to, with many other singers, to pull up chest resonance into the sound

Yes he has. Nothing extraordinary about that. Take a look at the video Felipe posted in another thread about head voice vs. falsetto. At times he demonstrates what he terms as falsetto without the head voice posture. That's all Ian is doing up there I think.

That being said it needs a certain amount of head resonance in order for him to even get up that high - so I would call it an M2 coordination but with mixed resonance qualities of chest and head - it has the release of head resonance but the open belty sound of chest which is achieved by keeping the vowel more open like a wide AA or AH, rather than covering it. But it can't be TOO open or else the singer will lose control, it's a delicate balance of the necessity of head resonance and intention of chest resonance.

Another way to think of it is just belting in M2.

Very common technique for that note, it's also used by Robert Plant and others

October 12, 2014
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The high notes by Ian Gillan is done in M2 with high adduction. I do something very similar in the end of " And The Money Kept Rolling In":

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October 12, 2014
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Martin H said

The high notes by Ian Gillan is done in M2 with high adduction. I do something very similar in the end of " And The Money Kept Rolling In":

Smile

Wow Martin. I really liked your performance!
Not only your singing, but also your confidence and acting. Awesome man!

October 12, 2014
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Thank you quentin, thanks for the nice words! Smile

October 14, 2014
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OwenKorzec said

Justin Chew said

OwenKorzec said

that Ian Gillan scream was just head voice. Most G5's are

But it seems he has managed to, with many other singers, to pull up chest resonance into the sound

Yes he has. Nothing extraordinary about that. Take a look at the video Felipe posted in another thread about head voice vs. falsetto. At times he demonstrates what he terms as falsetto without the head voice posture. That's all Ian is doing up there I think.

That being said it needs a certain amount of head resonance in order for him to even get up that high - so I would call it an M2 coordination but with mixed resonance qualities of chest and head - it has the release of head resonance but the open belty sound of chest which is achieved by keeping the vowel more open like a wide AA or AH, rather than covering it. But it can't be TOO open or else the singer will lose control, it's a delicate balance of the necessity of head resonance and intention of chest resonance.

Another way to think of it is just belting in M2.

Very common technique for that note, it's also used by Robert Plant and others

Basically, its in mixed voice

October 16, 2014
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Martin, wow! Great voice, great performance! Smile

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October 16, 2014
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I like to think of these threads more like "Holy crap this person is a great singer" threads. Laugh

So, I'll play. How about a face-melting B4 sustained for 12 seconds? Cool It occurs at 7:52-ish.

What I love about Maynard's belting is that it only has the slightest hint of grit in it, but still sounds insanely pissed off.

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October 16, 2014
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IAm I was about to post a response to that of Bjork holding out a really long note and then found it shorter than I remembered and then realized some person-without-a-life EDITED IT LONGER on another video Surprised and that's the one I saw first LOL

Cruel deceiving humans. I always wondered why the vibrato stopped and started again halfway through LOL

Anyways here's the original, at 2:28. Only 8 seconds now, but still cool the way she holds the note so stable.

This is the longest I've heard though, at 3:28:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....fve_e42JCI

October 17, 2014
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Those are two great singers! I've been a Bjork fan for quite some time. I'm not too familiar with Barbara Streisand's catalog, but I do know she's a hell of a singer. 19 second belt, wow! Brutal.

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October 18, 2014
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IAm said

Those are two great singers! I've been a Bjork fan for quite some time. I'm not too familiar with Barbara Streisand's catalog, but I do know she's a hell of a singer. 19 second belt, wow! Brutal.

exact same, idk what Streisand does, I probably wouldn't be ultra hot on it musically, but Bjork is something else. Not something I want to listen to every day, but I have those days where I'm just in the perfect mood to indulge in her brilliant creativity and unhindered expression. It's taking me years to gradually work through her catalog - I was hooked on all of Homogenic and a few songs from Post in a matter of weeks but I really have to listen to her more out there stuff more rarely to fully appreciate it.

October 18, 2014
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IAm said

Those are two great singers! I've been a Bjork fan for quite some time. I'm not too familiar with Barbara Streisand's catalog, but I do know she's a hell of a singer. 19 second belt, wow! Brutal.

being a metalhead you might be interested to know that chuck billy from Testament trained under the same opera coach Streisand trained with. Chuck sang just as harsh as Hetfield yet has retained his voice because his technique is healthier. He still has a tape from 25 years ago of his opera teachers scales and he runs through that for 1 hour to warm up before each show.

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