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Shouty mix / tone
March 6, 2015
3:58 am
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Ugi
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This is something I'm really struggling with and I don't seem to be able to make progress altough I practice in a focused way for 1 hour + every day.

The thing is, my high range/mix is a struggle and my tone is "shouty". I've had many little breakthroughs over the last few months but nothing seemed to have a noticeable lasting effect. I'm working with Eli Prinsen (my vocal teacher on) but I really would like some other opinions on it aswell. We've narrowed the problem down to over-compression on the one hand and not having enough "ping" or higher frequencies in my singing tone on the other (my speaking voice, according to Eli, is very balanced).

Lately I've found that I rushed through the warm-ups and I'm now doing at least 20 minutes of falsetto and light vocalising until gradually adding compression to it and starting to mix. Still, as soon as I leave the exercises, the struggle begins and my mix sounds shouty.

Here's an audio clip of me during a rehearsal of our Power Metal band.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uikvtbllnvembeo/22.02.%20Forgers%20of%20Selves%20Auswahl.mp3?dl=0

Thing is, I don't like my tone and probably haven't paid enough attention on improving it. My goal is to have a solid mix that is much more on the "mixy" than the belty side of things. Thats usually the kind of singer I prefer.

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So my practice routine at the moment is:

- 20 minutes of light vocalizing - falsetto liprolls, sirens, pharyngeal light head voice stuff. keeping things connected but not in full voice
- 5 minutes of adding compression/chest to it and smooth out the bridge (5 tone scales starting on G3, going up to F4), trying to keep everything released and "pingy".
- 15 minutes of different exercises: sirens, octave-scales, mum-mum-mums, neh-neh-neh - focusing on a released mix and dropping the weight
- 30 minutes of singing songs - working on phrases, lower the the pitch and work it up to the original, TRYING not to over-compress/choke off the sound (which usually is the main problem I can't get "my grip" on, lol).
- 5 minutes of being frustrated

(I've also started to sings songs that don't go any higher than D4 to work on my tone, especially bringing the sound forward and have that brightness and focuse to it which distinguishes trained from untrained singers)
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I know its difficult to give an expertise on as little information as that but I would like to know what you guys would suggest.

Thanks a lot!

"The separate self is not an entity; it is an activity: the activity of thinking and feeling that our essential nature of pure Awareness shares the limits and the destiny of the body and mind." - Rupert Spira

March 6, 2015
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First of all you haven't been at this for that long bro. You don't become a powerhouse singer in a few months.
2nd is that you only sent one clip, less typing and more clips. I wanna hear you go up a scale and see how you approach that. because if you can go really high and stay in your real voice and stay relaxed then you are very close and just need specific help to carrying it into songs. If you can't though then singing is A LOT HARDER so if you are having trouble on scales of course you will on songs.

That clip you sent you are way too careless. You have to go way slower than that dude. Those songs are hard because they go really low then go really high so it's easy to "grab" the sound and get stuck. You are tackling difficult stuff, not easy stuff. What you wanna do is take a difficult phrase then find what pitch and vowel it's on. Let's say the word "story". So it's an OH vowel. So you put a consonant in front and make it "GO" because the consonant will give you the compression without you having to choke yourself off to do it and you can forget about it. Take the go go go up the scale to that pitch the phrase is on and see if you can do it without straining. It doesn't have to be big, make it small but keep it connected not falsetto. if you can do it then quickly run the lyrics straight after you've gotten up there. I will be putting a video tomorrow where I show a singer doing this.

When singing you don't want to jsut try and emulate the power the original singer is using you are not ready for that. Keep it thin and make sure your entire range feels free, get to the point where you can sing full songs from start to finish with no strain and have it feel pretty easy but connected to your real voice, keep it light if you have to.

Obviously I can only give you general tips, these issues need to be dealt with specifically.
Lastly be patient! Place faith in your teacher!

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March 6, 2015
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Thanks for the inputs, Phil! Well, about the time, 2 years of Falsetto Success and then I contacted you in June last year ;)

Keep it thin and make sure your entire range feels free, get to the point where you can sing full songs from start to finish with no strain and have it feel pretty easy but connected to your real voice, keep it light if you have to.

Well thats exactly what I try to achieve at the moment but I can't translate the ease of the exercises into songs.

Here are some scales from today:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zusc7c9z8zm46nu/scales%20aa%20ee.mp3?dl=0

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March 6, 2015
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Alright so from the first clip I think what you need to learn is shading and blending because as it stands you are bouncing between a thicker chest voice and your head voice where you drop off that vocal weight. You need to work on that bridge area to shade/blend the registers better.

Keep in mind that it takes time to translate the scales to songs.

Your ah scale is pretty good. Just work on getting even compression on each note and don't just throw away the last note of the scales as you are doing now. Stay on that pitch until you finish the scale. It sounds sloppy the way you approach it now and may subconsciously translate into your singing which is no good. Your EE vowel scale is problematic. Watch your onset, you are starting the sound off airy. You need to either have a clean onset or start with vocal fry into the sound. As you ascend the scale your splatty get the EE vowel. Try to make a more pure EE sound all the way through, there is too much strain building for you on that vowel.

March 6, 2015
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Thanks a lot Adam!

Yeah, blending and releasing is like my main focus since a few weeks. But I have trouble finding consistency in it. Lets take the EE scale in the file. For me this was the "released" version of it, I used to grip on it even more. So its kinda hard to practice efficiently when you don't know wether you have an even compression and release into head resonance properly or just think its released but there's still some grip and over choking on it. And as far as I can say, its not always easy for my vocal teacher to hear the differences when doing exercises with me. Just when we sing songs it gets obvious.

Actually I kinda dropped singing anything above A4 a week ago (the recording of the song is from two weeks ago) and re-wrote my melodies so the very high notes fall away. Just that I can put all the focus on smoothing out the passaggio from now on.

I think I just need a solid set of exercises for smoothing out/releasing into the passaggio efficientely - exercises where I (and thats most important) KNOW that I'm doing them correctly. That's whats missing at the moment. No blame to my teacher Eli, he's doing great.

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March 6, 2015
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Ugi said

I think I just need a solid set of exercises for smoothing out/releasing into the passaggio efficientely -

The exercises you currently do do exactly that. the exercises aren't where yoru voice becomes amazing, we use exercises because singing is too hard. You become a better boxer from the fights not the heavy bag work. The heavy bag work is just there so that you actually have punches to use in a fight.

It's the same with singing. Your goal is to get whatever you are doing in the scales into the songs. It's easier on a scale so you get it there and then try to get it into the song. Right now you are blending resonance and vocalizing in the mix, now you need to get that into the songs. I told you several ways to do that in my first post.

You need to be able to shift from each vowel without having the throat choke before you'll find you can do anything in songs. If you can sing AEIOU all the way through your range without choking then carrying it into songs will be much easier. AT the moment your EE is your weak spot from what I just heard.

This stuff takes guidance, a few forum posts are unlikely to get you there.

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