Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
How Long Will I Love You cover
January 16, 2016
2:43 pm
Avatar
Slow Start
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 32
Member Since:
July 5, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Feedback welcome! Smile

I feel like some of the choices I made on rolling a couple of the strums in the guitar part were more slips of the hand that I had to fudge over. Using my more elongated speech-like delivery, I don't think I really was able to get into the phrasing and expressiveness as well until the second half of the song. Songs like this are great for me to practice my breathing and now overblowing my folds though. Not sure why I chose to use such a twangy hum instead of a regular hum either... would probably choose to do that differently if I recorded another take. Overall, I think I did okay.

January 24, 2016
7:49 pm
Avatar
OwenKorzec
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 283
Member Since:
September 2, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Sounds very good dude.

I think the guitar fudges were not really a noticeable problem. Yeah the second half of the song you definitely got better phrasing and expressiveness. You should work on trying to get into that right from the first note and not letting your mind wander off into thinking about technique so much, especially for a song like this that's well within your ability. Twangy hum was okay just a little bit overdone at some points but the way you started doing it sounded very natural to me.

For you I think the biggest things to work on from here with a song like this is getting into that expressiveness the whole time, as well as developing more of an open throat technique...I'm not a huge fan of that term but I think it's what I'm referring to. Basically a lot of your vowels aren't yet shaped in a way that brings out the very best of your voice and if you work on improving them, your tone will develop into a more "expensive" sound (like if you were to buy a higher quality instrument) and your voice will be more well received from that.

January 28, 2016
5:53 pm
Avatar
Slow Start
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 32
Member Since:
July 5, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for taking the time to listen and comment, Owen! I really appreciate it.

In the future, I'm going to try to remind myself to be "in the song" from the first second. Hopefully as confidence in my technique increases, it'll be easier. I, like you, have so many musical ideas that I'd love to use in my music... as soon as my voice catches up to my brain hah

And I think I know what you mean as far as the vowel shaping and tone goes. I can hear it in my own voice as well. In many ways, I feel like I'm finally relearning my voice in much healthier way in the last few months, and it feels like a rebuilding process. The way I used to get a "fuller" sound was not healthy - I was blasting with this huge spread smile KTVA style but not able to control the airflow. In the end I found I had almost 0 ability to control dynamics because I only had one level of vocal fold engagement available, and even that particular coordination was incorrect lol... you feel me?

I feel that my previous KTVA approach would likely have worked for me better if I was able to learn to coordinate my breathing and onsets before I made it 2/3 the way through his program lololol it is too dumbed down in many aspects imo, in an attempt to teach singing as simply as possible

I'm putting in the time now to trying to make sure I not only practice frequently but I practice as correctly as possible. I remember you telling me to do more loud practice... this is like mf level for me but it's still loud enough to need to cover up to not scare the neighbors lol Some NWUH on a Rossini scale from SS technique CD 3 here:

January 29, 2016
9:01 pm
Avatar
OwenKorzec
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 283
Member Since:
September 2, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Good work on that scale. You've definitely got a good volume there. Just work on keeping your breathing more calm and trying to avoid neck/jaw tension as the scales get higher (you can see it in your video - definitely a good idea to visually check in yourself a lot from the side when practicing into a pillow cause you can't see this stuff in a mirror). I know it's tricky cause I have the exact same problems! I have them in a much lower range than you though so props for staying relaxed for most of the exercise. It appears that if you did the scale slower you wouldn't have the same tensions till well above the high C so you might just be getting used to the high range and speed together. Trips me up too.

Oh btw I want to add, about getting into the song, try getting into it freakishly early, like, before you even start the song (having it in your demeanor and mindset before you ever play or sing a note). That should turn out better and feel more fluid than starting to play first and then immediately reacting like "OK so im playing...oh right now I must get into the song quickly!" haha

Taking a pause to mentally collect yourself before starting a song is everything. so important.

I feel you on the your issue with your old KTVA stuff I had that same problem too when I used to try to belt without knowing how. What I know now is that if I can't go from loud to a softer dynamic it's usually a sign of tension or imbalance in the voice so if you ever get caught in that trap again just know it's not because you're too loud it's just because something's off in the technique.

January 29, 2016
11:37 pm
Avatar
Slow Start
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 32
Member Since:
July 5, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

That's a great idea, Owen, re: getting into the song the second it starts, before vocals even begin. It's so obvious but I definitely haven't been on it. I think a lot of my phrasing on piano/guitar feels like it comes pretty natural or easily compared to vox, but it would most definitely benefit a lot from a cohesive expressive mindset.

I definitely noticed when I tightened up, and the best solution (aside from perhaps putting the scale at a slower speed) seems to be straight up just pausing to remember how to breathe, and missing one arpeggio really isn't the end of the world. Priorities really have to go with proper set up first and then proper phonation on it.. turns out the second doesn't happen without the first being in place.

Sometimes using the blanket allows me to kind of feel what my mouth shape is, kind of a tactile reminder, but it definitely removes the visual monitoring aspect lol. Like what would happen if a blind person was practicing singing perhaps! I'm currently building a homemade makeshift Beltbox to sing my warmups and practice into... hopefully less bulky than blankets and pillows while being decently soundproofing.

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 46

Currently Online:
9 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

OwenKorzec: 283

TommyTheHat: 186

quentin: 138

Adam Mishan: 84

wabba_treads420: 72

Sexy Beast: 60

daniel formica: 59

IAm: 48

Slow Start: 32

Mivke: 31

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 0

Members: 168

Moderators: 0

Admins: 3

Forum Stats:

Groups: 2

Forums: 6

Topics: 297

Posts: 1812

Newest Members:

TheMaikiller, soprano2b, Ozzy Slant, dan, Raymond Johan, Luke Boy, woltmann, J, Gedas, Robal

Administrators: Marnell Sample: 45, Phil Moufarrege: 264, Felipe Carvalho: 116